rkodavey (August 30, 2008 at 10:52 pm)

Player is absolutely wrong here. He should have paused Tiger's swing one frame earlier. Try it yourself. Pause the video when Tiger's swing is one frame before the one Player pauses it on (about 1:23). You'll see Tiger and Hogan have the club in the same position, which is one frame before impact. Tiger's right arm is tucked into his side almost identical to Hogan's.The reason it looks so different is that Tiger's swing is right at impact, and Hogan's is a frame before.Player = Failure

hubiej54 (August 12, 2008 at 4:16 am)

you shouldn't say that just because one's wrist is cupped at the time means that they'll hit a fade every time, there are too many other factors as in ball position and how open/closed the stance is. Cupped wrist at the top allows the club to be on plane with a slightly open clubface. Flat wrist creates an under plane swing and the clubface is slightly closed at the top. But, with golfers like tiger, timing at impact is more important than plane due to how repeatable of a swing he has.

richtawee2007 (August 11, 2008 at 3:46 am)

he does not like Tiger's success

swolny1972 (August 1, 2008 at 1:59 am)

Whether you have flat-draw left wrist at top or cupped-fade left wrist is all setup with your waggle at address. That is why waggle is vital and rehearsal for type of shot you are playing because it sets up correct path for the shape of shot you have chosen to play. The tempo of waggle determines the trajectory. I have studied Hogan for over 30,000 hours and counting. I understand his swing I feel as anyone in the world in all humility.

swolny1972 (August 1, 2008 at 1:53 am)

In all respect to nine time major champion, Gary Player, he is not correct in his observation. If you look at Hogan when he is hitting a draw or straight shot his left wrist is also flat. It is impossible to hit a draw consistently or correctly with a cupped left wrist. The same applies also that it is impossible to hit a consistent,correct fade without cupping your left wrist. Fade=cupped and flat equals draw. A straight shot can be achieved with slight cup or slightly flattened left wrist

moshady8008 (June 21, 2008 at 6:42 pm)

Great post. Excellent analysis by Player. He makes the differences plain.

prideventures (June 1, 2008 at 5:42 am)

I have video of many greats teaching their methods - Gary Player - Billy Casper - Jack Nicklaus - Ken Venturi - I have every book about Hogan also - he is my hero, but I find Venturi's method much easier to replicate. Venturi played with Hogan and Nelsen, and developed his ideas by actually talking and playing with one of the most accurate (Nelsen) and best ball strikers (Hogan) - when I followed his method I was able to shoot in the 70's after 3 rounds of practice. "Encycolpedia of Golf"

prideventures (June 1, 2008 at 5:32 am)

I have watched this same thing that Player is talking about. One of Tiger's heros was Norman, (notice the swipe he made in earlier years with the driver) Norman had a flat left wrist, and his misses under pressure were to the right. The flat wrist with produce a stonger loft at impact = greater length. Tiger now has toned it down, and hits smooth shots and clubs up like Hogan did - this phase will be incredible - 3rd in wins 2nd in majors after 11 yrs (avg is 23 yrs for the record holders)

XELURST (May 25, 2008 at 7:17 pm)

I really despair with you guys, do you not see? The truly greats of golf. like Trevino said, win 4 or more majors, your a great.The players today, jeez, as a Brit, they are crap, but so are the US players, all they care about is the money,not immortality, I rest my case.

gilligog (May 1, 2008 at 11:31 pm)

And.. if you gave the Golden Bear of old a brand new set of clubs from today and threw him in the current PGA tour, he would struggle. Just as Tiger would struggle if you did the opposite. But, if Tiger was playing 30 years ago and had been using old equipemnt his whole life, you bet he'd dominate, just as the Bear would dominate if he was playing now and had been using modern clubs his whole life!My Point? It's very hard to compare golfers and their skills of today with golfers of yesteryear.