CrazyGothicChick (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

The 15.1 I used was from the World Health Organization in 2004. If you want the death rate for women of color in the USA it's 4/3,311 and for hispanics it's about 1.6/3,311 live births. Ghiz, how do you know most women are willing to get pregnant? I know you haven't talked to most women (that's impossible), and I know there haven't been studies that asked most women if they'd like to be pregnant. There are a lot of women that want tobe preg., a lot that don't, and a lot with other opinions.

CrazyGothicChick (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

1/4800 women die because of childbirth related probs. w/i 1 yr in the USA. Add that to the 15.1 maternal death/100,000 live births (Thats 151/1mil live births). That's about 1 death / 6,622.5 births. If you include the women that die from childbirth related causes that's a around 2 / 6,622.5. Rounded down to 6,622 thats 1 death / 3,311 births... That rate includes preg/birth related deaths that occur after the child(ren) are born. Is it high enough for YOU since u think u can choose 4 everyone?

ambrocal (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

ghiz"ambrocal simply named a bunch of dictators that were prolife and implied that all prolifers were bad ppl, implying that that makes prolife the wrong choice"NOT TRUE, YOU started to link Hitler to abortion implying all pro choicers are nazis, THEN I replied that not only Hitler was pro life but other dictators too. That was a reaction to YOUR strategy in putting pro choicers down.

ambrocal (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

ghizwhat is your argument? "11 in 100 000 women dying from maternal deaths in the US" What do you mean by that?And what is this other argument? "most women are willing to get pregnant" Is this a contradiction with being pro choice?A 8wk fetus has no functional cortex (no consciousness, no feeling, no thoughts), this is enough to have no second thoughts about getting an abortion until 24 wks.

ambrocal (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Ghiz In the same post you say Hitler can be linked to the start of abortion, then that he is a pro lifer?Then you ask if I can read? I can, but could you be more consistent?

ghiz8 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

CrazyGothichChicki agree with right to abortion when the woman's life is endangered. but i do hav an argument, 11 in 100 000 women dying from maternal deaths in the US. that along with the fact that most women are willing to get pregnant and hav a baby, give me a decent argumentlike i said an 8wk fetus, with eyes and brain activity is a human being to me. so unless it threatens mums life, its right to life beats hers to not giv birth, even if she is raped

ghiz8 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

misspacman08i never said that cos sum good ppl are prolife, it makes it rightambrocal simply named a bunch of dictators that were prolife and implied that all prolifers were bad ppl, implying that that makes prolife the wrong choiceso i named a bunch of good ppl that were prolife to counter this, showing good and badbut all along ive been saying it doesnt matter what they thought, what matters is d'ya think the fetus is a human being with equal rights to the rest of us

ghiz8 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

ambrocali said hitler can be linked to the start of legal abortion, which is bad. hitler wounbut also said hitler's opinion is invalid as he didnt consider black ppl to be humans, but we do. hitler wouldnt care if black ppl were abortedwtf, read what im actually saying. i accept there are dictators among prolifers, eg, hitler and stalinbut there are also good prolifers, eg JFK, Ghandi, Dr Bernard Nathanson, Archbishop Dr Mannix, M Teresado you accept there good prolifers?

misspacman08 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

just because a few good ppl believed in prolife... doesnt make it the right decision.

misspacman08 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

pretty sure jesus would sooner kill u for posting this and using his name to slander others. fuck off, get an education.